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Names: Apatow, Judd, author.
Title: Sicker in the head: more conversations about life and comedy / Judd Apatow.
Description: First edition. | New York: Random House, [2022]
Identifiers: LCCN 2021048092 (print) | LCCN 2021048093 (ebook) | ISBN 9780525509417 (hardcover; acid-free paper) | ISBN 9780525509431 (ebook)
Subjects: LCSH: ComediansUnited StatesInterviews. | Stand-up comedyUnited States. | Television actors and actressesUnited StatesInterviews. | Motion picture actors and actressesUnited StatesInterviews. | LCGFT: Interviews.
Classification: LCC PN1969.C65 A64 2022 (print) | LCC PN1969.C65 (ebook) | DDC 792.7/60922dc23/eng/20211221
INTRODUCTION
I started this book before the pandemic. I did a few interviewsMort Sahl, Whitney Cummings, Nathan Fielder, Gary Gulmanbut I wasnt exactly putting a ton of time into it. Then the pandemic hit and I realized that most of the people I wanted to speak with were stuck at home with nothing to do, too. Its hard to say no to an interview when it is clear you are available. We all were availablefor everything.
So, I began making calls and lining up conversations. And as we talked, a weird thing happened: Many of these conversations became way more personal and honest than they otherwise might have been, because we were in this vulnerable, raw space together. Its hard to hold back in an interview when you have been pondering your life (and death) for the past few monthswhen not overeating, drinking, or watching streaming programming you dont even like.
Finishing this project was challenging. There were so many people I wanted to speak to, and I knew that as soon as the world calmed down it would become much harder to get access to them. As things opened up again, I was forced to give up my quest for Pete Townshend and Meghan Markle. Maybe for the next book. (Or the next pandemic?)
Its hard to write the intro to this book because I still feel so in between. I am not who I was before the pandemic began and yet I am not sure who I am now. I am, frankly, existentially confused. What meaning does my life have? What is the point of all of the work I have done? Why am I so disinterested and interested at the same time? How come I have become so close to my cats? Why do I keep getting more cats? Maybe the conversations in this book will shed some light on these questions.
Other than my love for my family, the one consistent observation I have had, during all of this madness, is that I needed to laugh. I needed the insights of comic minds. I also was told by a lot of people that my work had given them brief, happy breaks from all we are experiencing, which was nice. I spent months getting those same breaks with Ted Lasso, Schitts Creek, Jackass, and anything by Maria Bamford.
I have always seen comedy as a lifelinewhich is why Ive been interviewing comedians about why they do what they do since I was fifteen years old. Without comedy, I dont know how I would survive. When the pandemic was at full force, I grabbed my family and made a really silly movie. I didnt know what else to do. Is that healthy? Is it denial? Is it medicine? Is it sick? I am not sure. But now I know that when the world seems to be collapsing my reaction is to make a movie about a group of people having a meltdown during a pandemic as they attempt to make a movie about flying dinosaurs. The process of making that film with my family got me through. It gave me purpose: to be ridiculous. Isnt it all ridiculous? It also got me out of the house and into a community of people with the same goalto make people smile. When the shit hits the fan that is all I have to offer. I may not know how to turn the gas off when the building is on fire, but I might be able to make you piss your pants. Thats got to be worth something?
I am still struggling. I dont feel right. But maybe if things get back to normal, and maybe after I do another book and make a few more ridiculous movies, I will feel right again. And the world will have some more weird stuff to read and some more stupid shit to watch with the shades closed as the world teeters outside.
AMBER RUFFIN
December 2020
Judd: I am amazed at how strong so much of the political work that people like you and the other writers at Late Night with Seth Meyers are doing. Im astounded that people can take things that are so horrifying and find a way to turn it into something that has joy and entertainment in it. The country has always been a disaster, but its hit another level these last few years. How has it been for you to develop this skill of political comedy at a time like this?
Amber: Im always pressing right up against it. I think to myself, Can I talk about all of this stuff? And youre right, the ugly stuff has always been there. But I feel like Im slowly revealing it, little by little. Plus, theyll let me talk about all kinds of shit now. There are no rules.
Judd: Its really changed, the idea that you were allowed to say that things are fucked, right?
Amber: You cant complain too much, no matter how true it is, or else youre a bad guy. So you have to choose what you swallow and what you call out. Luckily, Im in comedy so no one cares if you say something provocative. But for some normal lady in an office to be like, Im not Black Linda. Im Linda? And people go, Yeah, it was shitty of me to say that?
Judd: I often think about the journey comedians go on, before they fully mature and come into their own. First, you have years of just figuring out how to get up onstage and not be terrified. Then, slowly, you get older and you realize what you want to talk about, now that you have the skills to talk about it. It takes a long time to get comfortable enough and to be strong enough to then move into what matters to you, whether its politics and social issues or not. Did you have an arc like that, or did you talk about these things from day one?
Amber: When I did the Second City Mainstage, we did all kinds of political stuff. We were performing for a young, liberal audience, and they loved it. But you cant do that with your regular improv show because you dont necessarily know the audience or the people youre improvising with. So, I certainly didnt start out making any provocative political points right off the bat. I also did Boom Chicago for years. Are you familiar with it?
Judd: Jason Sudeikis started there.
Amber: Jason Sudeikis, Seth Meyers, Jordan Peele, Kay CannonAnd actually, Boom Chicago is located in Amsterdam. Theres no Boom Chicago in Chicago. But they audition you in Chicago, L.A., New York, and so on. Once youre picked, you go to Amsterdam, and you have four corporate shows a week. I hosted the International Paper Awards, for instance. And there are a number of game shows that are based in Holland, so when they have an idea and they want to shoot a pilot, they go to Boom Chicago, and they pick us.