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A LETTER FROM PETER MUNK

Since we started the Munk Debates, my wife, Melanie, and I have been deeply gratified at how quickly they have captured the publics imagination. From the time of our first event in May 2008, we have hosted what I believe are some of the most exciting public policy debates in Canada and internationally. Global in focus, the Munk Debates have tackled a range of issues, such as humanitarian intervention, the effectiveness of foreign aid, the threat of global warming, religions impact on geopolitics, the rise of China, and the decline of Europe. These compelling topics have served as intellectual and ethical grist for some of the worlds most important thinkers and doers, from Henry Kissinger to Tony Blair, Christopher Hitchens to Paul Krugman, Peter Mandelson to Fareed Zakaria.

The issues raised at the Munk Debates have not only fostered public awareness, but they have also helped many of us become more involved and, therefore, less intimidated by the concept of globalization. It is so easy to be inward-looking. It is so easy to be xenophobic. It is so easy to be nationalistic. It is hard to go into the unknown. Globalization, for many people, is an abstract concept at best. The purpose of this debate series is to help people feel more familiar with our fast-changing world and more comfortable participating in the universal dialogue about the issues and events that will shape our collective future.

I dont need to tell you that that there are many, many burning issues. Global warming, the plight of extreme poverty, genocide, or our shaky financial order: these are just a few of the critical issues that matter to people. And it seems to me, and to my foundation board members, that the quality of the public dialogue on these critical issues diminishes in direct proportion to the salience and number of these issues clamouring for our attention. By trying to highlight the most important issues at crucial moments in the global conversation, these debates not only profile the ideas and opinions of some of the worlds brightest thinkers, but they also crystallize public passion and knowledge, helping to tackle some of the challenges confronting humankind.

I have learned in life and Im sure many of you will share this view that challenges bring out the best in us. I hope youll agree that the participants in these debates challenge not only each other but also each of us to think clearly and logically about important problems facing our world.

Peter Munk

Founder, Aurea Foundation

Toronto, Ontario

T HE 2015
CANADIAN FEDERAL ELECTION DEBATE ON
FOREIGN POLICY

HARPER VS. MULCAIR VS. TRUDEAU

THE MUNK DEBATES

Edited by Rudyard Griffiths

Copyright 2015 Aurea Foundation

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Library and Archives Canada Cataloguing in Publication

The 2015 Canadian federal election debate on foreign
policy : Harper vs. Mulcair vs. Trudeau.

(The Munk debates)
Electronic monograph in HTML format.
ISBN 978-1-4870-0122-3 (html).

1. Harper, Stephen, 1959. 2. Mulcair, Tom, 1954.
3. Trudeau, Justin, 1971. 4. Canada Foreign relations
21st century. 5. Debates and debating Canada. 6. Canada.
Parliament Elections, 2015. I. Trudeau, Justin, 1971, panelist
II. Harper, Stephen, 1959, panelist III. Mulcair, Tom, 1954,
panelist IV. Series: Munk debates

FC242.T86 2015 327.7100905 C2015-906879-7

Cover design: Erin Mallory
Cover photos: The Munk Debates
Transcription: Transcript Divas

We acknowledge for their financial support o f our publishing program the Canada Council for the Arts, the Ontario Arts Council, and the Government of Canada through the Canada Book Fund.

CONTENTS

Introduction by Rudyard Griffiths

The 2015 Canadian Federal Election
Debate on Foreign Policy

Acknowledgements

About the Debaters

About the Editor

About the Munk Debates

The 2015 Canadian Federal Election Debate on Foreign Policy

Stephen Harper vs. Thomas Mulcair vs. Justin Trudeau

September 28, 2015
Toronto, Ontario

THE 2015 CANADIAN FEDERAL ELECTION DEBATE ON FOREIGN POLICY

RUDYARD GRIFFITHS: Ladies and gentlemen, good evening. My name is Rudyard Griffiths and I am the chairman of the Aurea Foundation. I want to welcome our audience here this evening. Lets get our debaters out here and our debate underway. Its my pleasure to welcome Mr. Thomas Mulcair, leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada; Stephen Harper, leader of the Conservative Party of Canada; and finally Mr. Justin Trudeau, leader of the Liberal Party of Canada.

Well, gentlemen, we are glad to finally have the three of you here on stage. Youve all agreed to the guidelines of this debate in advance and I want to remind you of the rule that leaders will respect each others right to speak in order to make points uninterrupted. So lets get started.

Right now, the world is witnessing the largest humanitarian crisis since the Second World War, as the conflict in Syria and northern Iraq rages on. Mr. Mulcair, youve pledged that, as prime minister, you would pull Canadas military forces out of the international coalition fighting ISIS. If the threat the Islamic State represents doesnt justify a military response, when would an NDP government use military force?

THOMAS MULCAIR: Canada does have a role to play in fighting the horror that is ISIS. We can help stop the flow of arms, help stop the flow of funds, and, of course, help stop the flow of foreign fighters. There are more than sixty countries involved in the coalition. The NDP would keep Canada in that coalition, but only twelve countries are involved in the combat mission.

For me, its important to remember this evening that we are in the same room where we finally laid Jack Layton to rest. I will continue Jacks work, and I will take the same Qubcois and Canadian values values of solidarity and sustainable economic development out into the world. We dont want a Canada that pollutes and goes to war; we want to be a Canada that respects values.

We all know that there are certain things that a prime minister has to get right.

This election is about change and theres no area where Canadians want change more than in that of our foreign affairs. A prime minister has to maintain a good relation with the U.S. Mr. Harper has lost the respect of the White House. We have to make sure that we have a place on the world stage we missed our turn on the Security Council. We have to take care of the defining issue of the age, which is climate change and were the only country to have withdrawn from the Kyoto Protocol.

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