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His Life in His Own Words
On March 13, 2013, the former Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, longtime Archbishop of Buenos Aires, now Pope Francis, was elected to succeed Pope Benedict. He is the first Latin American pope, the first Jesuit pope, and the first to take the name Francis, after St. Francis Assisi, the 13th century monk known for his charity and kindness.
Elected in one of the shortest conclaves in history, the former Archbishop Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina reveals, in a series of extensive interviews conducted over the course of two years, the very image of a humble priest, inspired teacher, and wise and adroit cardinal. What emerges is a portrait of a man more interested in substance over style, a compassionate cleric and teacher who has shunned the spotlight. In spontaneous, intimate terms, Archbishop Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, covers topics as wide-ranging as his childhood, family life, and the importance of his first job to discovering his calling and his early days in the seminary. The former archbishop was a teacher of psychology and literature until John Paul II consecrated him as a cardinal. He befriended writers like Jorge Luis Borges and cites Homer, Cervantes, and German and Italian poets with ease and offers nuanced thoughts about teaching. Thoughtful, intelligent, and even witty, he namesBabettes Feastas his favorite movie and Marc Chagall as his favorite painter.
A learned and introspective man, he does not avoid the uncomfortable subjects: the declining numbers of priests and nuns; celibacy; the sexual abuse scandals that have rocked the Church; and his opinions about and experience with the military dictatorship of his own crisis-riddled country. It also discusses the incredible role he played in the last conclave, where he is said to have been tied with Ratzinger in the second of three votes, and asked that the votes for him be transferred to Ratzinger.
Through his own words, we come to know a man whose actions and words reflect his deeply-rooted humility. The book concludes with the Popes own writings and reflections, full of wisdom and inspiration.

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Pope Francis

Conversations with Jorge Bergoglio

Sergio Rubin

Francesca Ambrogetti

G.P. PUTNAMS SONS

NEWYORK


Originally published as El Jesuita : Conversaciones con Jorge Bergoglio

2010 Sergio Rubin and Francesca Ambrogetti

Englishtranslation 2013 by Laura Dail Literary Agency,Inc.

Published by the Penguin Group

Penguin Group (USA) Inc., 375Hudson Street,

New York, New York 10014, USA


CONTENTS
PUBLISHER'S NOTE

On March 13, 2013,the former Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, archbishop of Buenos Aires, now PopeFrancis, was elected to succeed Pope Benedict XVI, Joseph Ratzinger .

This book, first published in 2010, is the fruit of aseries of journalistic interviews with Bergoglio when he was cardinal,consecrated by Pope John Paul II. They give insight into his core beliefs, hispersonal history, his wisdom, intellect, compassion, humility, and ultimatelyhis humanity.

Herein his own wordsis an intimate look at the manwho is now the leader of the Roman Catholic Church.

This is the life story of the current pontiff.

FOREWORD

As far as I know,this has to be the first time in two thousand years that a rabbi has writtenthe foreword for a book about the thoughts of a Catholic priest. An act all themore significant when said priest is the archbishop of Buenos Aires and acardinal consecrated by Pope John Pau l II.

I saw the same sentence above, with which I beginthese reflections, but with the names and titles reversed, when one of my ownbooks was launched in 2006 with a foreword by then Cardinal Bergoglio.

It is not about an exchange of favors, but rather asincere and accurate testimony to a profound dialogue between two friends forwhom the search for God and the spiritual dimension that lies in every humanbeing was and is a constant concern.

Interreligious dialogue, whichacquired special significance after the Second Vatican Council, usually beginswith a stage of "tea and sympathy" before moving on to the trickiersubjects. With Bergoglio, there was no such stage. Our conversation began withan exchange of terrible jokes about eachother's favored soccer teams and went immediately to the candor of sincere andrespectful dialogue. Each of us expressed to the other his particular visionabout the many subjects that shape life. There were no calculations oreuphemisms, just clear and direct ideas. One opened his heart to the other,just as the Midrash defines true friendship ( Sifrei Devarim , Piska 305). We sometimes disagree, but each always tries tounderstand the deep feeling and thoughts of the other. And with all thatemerges from our shared values, those that come from the prophetic texts, thereis a commitment that has been manifested in various actions. Beyond anyinterpretation or criticism that others might make, we walk together with ourtruth, with the shared conviction that the vicious cycles that degrade thehuman condition can be broken. With faith that the path of history can andshould be changed, that the biblical vision of a redeemedworld, as foreseen by the prophets, is not a mere Utopia, but an achievable reality that needs only committed people to make it real.

This book is the life testimony of Bergoglio and wasoriginally published with the title El Jesuita (The Jesuit), though I prefer to call him "thepastor." He dedicates it to the many who share his existential path andespecially to his flock. The reader will repeatedly find expressions such as:"I have sinned ... I was wrong... Such and such were my failings...Time or life has taught me..." Even in the tricky topics that come withArgentine reality, with the Church's actions during the dark years, and withhis own actions, readers will hear stories told with humility, and they willsee his constant thirst to understand and empathize with his neighbors,especially those who are suffering.

Some will disagree with his assessments, but beyondall possible criticism, everyone will agree on the considered nature, thehumility, and the compassion with which he confronts every one of his topics.

Bergoglio's obsession, the leitmotif woven throughoutthe book, can be defined in these words: coming together and unity,understanding these as a state of harmony among men, in which everyonecooperates for both the material and the spiritual growth of everyone else,inspired by love.

Following biblical text, Bergoglio centers hisreflections on the word "love," and refers to the following verses,among others: "You shall love the Lord, your God, with your wholeheart" (Deuteronomy 6:5); "You shall love your neighbor asyourself" (Leviticus 19:18); "You shall treat the alien who resideswith you no differently than the natives born among you; you shall love thealien as yourself" (Leviticus 19:34). "Love" is the word that definesthe most exalted of man's feelings, and serves Bergoglio as a source ofinspiration in the realization of his actions and in the forming of hismessage.

The reader will find in this book Bergoglio's visionwith respect to the problems currently facing the Catholic Church, detailingwithout reservation and in clear critical language its failings. The teacher offaith, in accordance with the biblical worldview, should express his criticismto all members of the society in which he preaches, from the pulpit of thespirit, which is far away from all partisan interest.

In my own childhood, my father, an immigrant born in Poland, used to take my brother and me to visit historical places.Leaving the Cabildo , he pointed out the image on thecathedral's faade. It represents the meeting of Joseph and his brothers, hesaid. I had heard about the anti-Semitism that my Polish ancestors experienced,and that image, decorating the top of a church, overwhelmed me with hope. A daywill come, I thought, in which everyone will recognize their brotherhood withtheir neighbors.

I see this book andmany of the stories in it as a tribute to that hope, a hope that we have sharedas brothers for many wars, that has enriched our spiritual lives, and thatsurely has brought us closer to that which blows the breath of life into everyhuman being.

Rabbi Abraham Skorka

Buenos Aires,

December23, 2009

INTRODUCTION

When Joseph Ratzinger was elected successor to Pope John Paul II and allthe accredited journalists started their interviews in order to reconstructwhat had happened in that papal conclave, they knew that the work would be morethan difficult, almost impossible. Three oaths to keep the secret of whattranspired in the Sistine Chapel, taken by the 117 voting cardinals, underpenalty of excommunication if violated, seemed an insurmountable wall. Even so,one of the best-informed journalists covering the Vatican, Andrea Tornielli of the Italian daily paper 1l Giornale , wrote an article published the day after the solemnannouncement of the new pontiffjust as a daily newspaper of Argentina, Clarin , didsimultaneouslythat the Argentine Jesuit Jorge Mario Bergoglio had played anextraordinary role. Tornielli the journalist who initiallyhad the most detailsreported that in the second of the three ballots,Bergoglio received forty votes, an unprecedented number for a Latin Americancardinal, making him the runner-up to Ratzinger , whoin the end, of course, became Pope Benedict XVI.

Over time, other qualified observers echoed the samestory. Among them, Vittorio Messori (the most translated Catholic journalist and writer over the last severaldecades, author of the celebrated book Crossing theThreshold of Hope, a long conversation with John Paul II, as well as asimilar book, The Ratzinger Report , with thencardinal Ratzinger ). "It is true that a conclaveis a very secret thing, but one can always uncover something," said Messori . "Everyone agrees that in the first vote ofthe conclave, Cardinals Ratzinger and Bergoglio werepractically tied." After clarifying that he is not a Vaticanist ,but rather a student of Christian subjects, Messori cited "corroborating comments" to assert that Bergoglio had asked hispeers to pass his votes to Ratzinger , the surest,almost obligatory candidate. "The thing is he valued having been the'theological mind' of John Paul II, who best represented his continuity," Messori concluded.

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