ALSO BY JONATHAN KARL
The Right to Bear Arms
Front Row at the Trump Show
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CONTENTS
Karl: Were you worried about him during that siege? Were you worried about his safety?
Trump: No. I thought he was well protected. I had heard he was in good shape. No. Because I had heard he was in very good shape.
Karl: Because you heard those chants. That was terrible. I mean, you know, those
Trump: Well, the people were very angry.
Karl: They were saying, Hang Mike Pence!
Trump: Because its common sense...
The interview, I was told, would happen right there in the middle of the lobby, a room with two enormous crystal chandeliers hanging from a towering gold ceiling, the ornate and glittering space that once served as the living room for Marjorie Merriweather Post, the heiress who built the place. Before long, Donald Trump arrived, wearing a suit and tie. He ordered a Diet Coke and got right down to business, not waiting for my questions.
You know we are putting out releases, he said. These releases are much more elegant than Twitter. We are really getting the word out.
The former leader of the free worldwho had been banned by Twitter and every other major social media platform for spreading disinformationhad discovered a more effective way of communicating: the press release.
As the interview went on, members of Trumps Mar-a-Lago club began to arrive for drinks and dinner on the patio outside, each one of them passing right by us, each one of them seeing him being interviewed. He could have talked to me in a private area of the club, but why would he do that? He wanted everybody to see him being interviewedout of office, but still the center of attention.
Over the next ninety minutes, I asked him about some of the darkest moments in the history of American democracy, when, for the first time, an American president refused to concede defeat, attempted to overturn an election, and inspired his most die-hard supporters to stop the peaceful transfer of power. As you will see later in this book, his words were chilling, but his demeanor cheerful. In his gilded exile, he feels abused and betrayed, convinced the darkest betrayals came from those closest to him.
But in our conversation, as Donald Trump lashes out at enemies real and perceived, he seems happy, joyfuljoyfully aggrieved. Hes plotting a new campaign, not necessarily a political comebackthats far-fetched although not impossiblebut a campaign to make his erstwhile friends and allies pay a price for their betrayal. All the talk of disloyalty and revenge made him so gleeful he asked me to stick around for dinner.
As I headed to the dining area outside, Trump went elsewhere. Another meeting, he told me.
The main patio of Mar-a-Lago overlooks the clubs pool and, beyond that, the lagoon that separates Palm Beach from the Florida mainland. Its a beautiful space, half enclosed by the curved colonnade that extends from the part of the club where Trump has his residence to the areas open to club members. As the sun went down, the tables began to fill with diners, a mostly older and enormously wealthy crowd. On this night, there were about a hundred people spread out over a few dozen tables.
Shortly after I began eating, I heard a few people begin clapping. The clapping, isolated at first, soon spread across the patio, turning into sustained applause. As everyone soon noticed, Donald Trump was making his way from his residence. The diners were then on their feet, giving a standing ovation for the former president as he slowly walked down the Mar-a-Lago colonnadea structure reminiscent of the line of pillars outside the Oval Office and alongside the Rose Garden. The ovation continued until he got to the archway leading to the living room where I had interviewed him. He pointed to a few of the guests. He waved and pumped his fist and then made his way to a table just like the others, although this table had a small velvet rope around it.
The applause continued until Trump took his seat. As the guests returned to their dinners, I asked one of the members how often this happens. How often does the former president stroll along the colonnade on his way to dinner as the members of his club rise to their feet in rapturous applause?
Every night, he told me.
Every night.
INTRODUCTION
One of the first calls I made as I watched the rioters move toward the Capitol building on January 6, 2021, was to John Kelly, the retired four-star Marine general who previously had served as President Trumps first chief of staff. More than a year before the 2020 election, as I was finishing Front Row at the Trump Show, I had asked Kelly what would happen if Trump lost the election and refused to concede. Back then the question was a hypothetical one, but it was one I had been thinking about for a long time. What if Trump tried to stay in the White House? How would this all end?
Oh, hell leave, Kelly told me back then. And if he refuses to leave, there are people who will escort him out.
As chief of staff, Kelly had seen firsthand how Trump operates and he knew how the White House really functions. Clearly he had thought about this before and had played out the scenario in his mind.
If he tried to chain himself to the Resolute, Kelly told me, referring to the enormous desk in the Oval Office, they would simply cut the chains and carry him out.
Kelly has a deep and commanding voice befitting a retired four-star Marine general. He said these words with authority, as if he was speaking an immutable truth that needed no further discussion. To Kelly it wasnt complicated. If Trump loses, hell be gone at noon on January 20, 2021. Thats what the Constitution dictates. Its as simple as that. I didnt ask any more questions, but I still had a few. Who would escort him out? Who would cut the chains? Who were they? Would it be the Secret Service? Would it be the Marine who stands sentry at the entrance to the West Wing? The image Kelly described was a crazy one: a defeated president getting dragged from the White House while he refuses to admit defeat. Since John Adams lost reelection to Thomas Jefferson in 1800, every defeated president has accepted the results and voluntarily left office. The scenario described by John Kelly seemed too disturbingand too absurdto consider any further. I tried not to think about it again.