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THE ULTIMATE INSIDERS LOOK AT THE FINE ART OF INTERVIEWING
I had a fantasy the other night that this interview is so great that they no longer want me to actjust do interviews. I thought of us going all over the world doing interviewsweve signed for three interviews a day for six weeks.
Al Pacino, in an interview with Lawrence Grobel
Highly respected in journalist circles and hailed as the Interviewers Interviewer, Lawrence Grobel is the author of well-received biographies of Truman Capote, Marlon Brando, James Michener, and the Huston family, with bylines from Rolling Stone and Playboy to the New York Times. He has spent his thirty-year career getting tough subjects to truly open up and talk. Now, in The Art of the Interview, he offers step-by-step instruction on all aspects of nailing an effective interview and provides an inside look on how he elicted such colorful responses as:
I dont like Shakespeare. Id rather be in Malibu. Anthony Hopkins
Feminists dont like me, and I dont like them.Mel Gibson
I hope to God my friends steal my body out of a morgue and throw a party when Im dead.Drew Barrymore
I want you out of here. And I want those goddamn tapes!Bob Knight
I smoked pot with my father when I was eleven in 1973. . . . He thought he was giving me a mind-extending experience just like he used to give me Hemingway novels and Woody Allen films.Anthony Kiedis
In The Art of the Interview, Grobel reveals the most memorable stories from his career, along with examples of the most candid moments from his long list of famous interviewees, from Oscar-winning actors and Nobel laureates to Pulitzer Prizewinning writers and sports figures. Taking us step by step through the interview process, from research and question writing to final editing, The Art of the Interview is a treat for journalists and culture vultures alike.

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OTHER BOOKS BY LAWRENCE GROBEL C ONVERSATIONS WITH C APOTE T HE H USTONS - photo 1

OTHER BOOKS BY LAWRENCE GROBEL

C ONVERSATIONS WITH C APOTE

T HE H USTONS : T HE L IFE AND T IMES OF A H OLLYWOOD D YNASTY

C ONVERSATIONS WITH B RANDO

T ALKING WITH M ICHENER

A BOVE THE L INE : C ONVERSATIONS A BOUT THE M OVIES

E NDANGERED S PECIES : W RITERS T ALK A BOUT T HEIR C RAFT , T HEIR V ISIONS , T HEIR L IVES

C LIMBING H IGHER ( WITH M ONTEL W ILLIAMS )

TO THOSE EDITORS WHO SAID YES AND NOT NO AND TO MY STUDENTS WHO NEVER STOP - photo 2

TO THOSE EDITORS WHO SAID YES AND NOT NO
AND TO MY STUDENTS WHO NEVER STOP ASKING QUESTIONS

ACKNOWLEDGMENTS

An acknowledgment is not a dedication, though in this case it could be, for there have been some special people who I would like to single out. There are the editors at Newsday (Stan Green, Lou Schwartz) who got me started interviewing household names back in the early seventies. There is Playboy, which has allowed the space for this form to flourish (thanks Hef, and Christie); and my current editor there, Steve Randall, who understands what it is we do. There is Anne Volokh at Movielines Hollywood Life, who also recognizes that interviews can peel away the layers to get to the core of those whom some believe have none. There are the editors and writers who contributed so thoughtfully to Schuck. Elliott Gould and Al Pacino, whose friendship demonstrates uncanny trust in a journalist. And Diane Keaton, who insists that we never do an interview so we can remain friends. There is J. P. Donleavy, a writer Ive read and admired since my college years, who took time out of his own writing and farming life to pen a rare foreword. My wife Hiromi, who has heard all these stories and more and still sleeps with me. My daughters Maya and Hana, who cant quite figure out how talking to people for a living can actually provide for a living. Zachary Intrater, whose love of words and appetite for books has made him a reliable resource and near Zen master. And there is every person who sat across from me as I recorded their words. Thank you all.

CONTENTS

PROLOGUE
AN ENCYCLOPEDIC APPROACH

INTRODUCTION
ROBERT MITCHUM, ADOLPH EICHMANN, SEXUAL REPRESSION, AND FINDING ONES VOICE. DONT ASK. OR DO.

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What happens after youve got the assignment? Publicists. Researching and preparing questions. Convincing a subject to sit with you. Changing a reluctant subjects mind. Learning to be patient. Becoming a chameleon and an actor. Behaving differently with different subjects. Be Educated. Be Current. Knowing when to be forceful. Those dumb questions. When an editor wants you, but the subject prefers someone he knows. Bringing the caviar.

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Learning to deal with your nerves. Talking to stars and experts. Getting your subject to open up: Knowing when to delve into a persons fears and anxieties, traumas, and financial affairs. Getting them to trust you. When to be an equal and when not to be. Maintain control. Relying on your personality. Getting beyond the plug: Youve let them promote, now its your turn. Recognizing good copy when you hear it. Zero in on specifics. Going with the unexpected. Burying oneself in chauvinism. The battle of the sexes. Searching ones past for clues. The problem with parents. Parents and their children. Nightmares: When it just isnt working. Asking the tough questions. Avoiding confrontations until the end. Dealing with subjects who treat you badly. Nobel Prize winners. Dont overlook asides. Knowing when enoughs enough.

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Jack Nicholson. Anjelica Huston. Dylan McDermott. Jodie Foster. Harrison Ford. James A. Michener. Norman Mailer. Saul Bellow. Al Pacino. Sharon Stone. Truman Capote. Oliver Stone. Marlon Brando. Robert De Niro.

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Editing raw transcripts. How to start: The Importance of a good beginning. Endings. The meat in between.

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Stephen Randall (Playboy), Peter Bloch (Penthouse), Andrew Essex (Details), Heidi Parker (Movieline/Hollywood Life, Playboy), Barry Golson (TV Guide, Yahoo), Bill Newcott (AARP the Magazine), Janice Min (Us), Will Dana (Rolling Stone).

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Kevin Cook, Claudia Dreifus, Michael Fleming, Kristine McKenna, Steve Pond, David Rensin, Diane Shah, David Sheff.

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APPENDIX 1
DREW BARRYMORE QUESTIONS

APPENDIX 2
ON THE ROAD WITH THE ANGRIEST MAN IN AMERICA

FOREWORD
J.P. D ONLEAVY

If ever the words matter of fact come to mean anything, they do with a low-key vengeance mean something blunt and to the point in Larry Grobels The Art of the Interview. Which at the least, is a one-hundred-thousand-word definition in depth of the meaning, if it has any, of celebrity and fame. And in summing it all up, it would nearly teach you a lesson: Dont try to be famous, youll regret it. But in spite of such implied advice, theres not in this treatise a recluse to be seen or mentioned anywhere. There are instead even interviews of the interviewers. And you begin to get an idea of when youre famous, what the smart thing is to say in order to stay that way. All communicated by one of the specialists analyzing his subjects inside out, from their youth onward and into the flowering of their careers. Their motives exposed which first ignited them to achieve their notability. Except there is a catch. To be a subject for Larry Grobel to make you in depth more famous, youve already got to be pretty famous.

Now then. As someone who is normally racked with humility, and also just about the worlds worst interviewee, writing this foreword I find myself both puzzled and flattered. But I was, in fact, once actually interviewed by Larry Grobel. The interview being for Newsday and which was never published in that periodical but was to appear later in Larrys book Endangered Species, which gives the best indication of where one might languish today, shovel in hand, knee-deep in my bogs watching my cattle and hoping to God someone might point and say:

Hey, I know who you are.

Ah, but forget all that old sorrowful self-deprecating stuff, which all strikes me as a matter of false self-effacement. One accepts the fact that except in avoiding danger, its a strong human trait not to want to be ignored. Even in writing this Im depending upon someone somewhere having heard of me. So, being best known for being unknown, how have I qualified for the attention of Larry Grobel in the first place. I simply can only conjecture it must have been from his reading one of or all of my novels and helping to contribute to every writers dream, that someone somewhere will open up one of their books and get hooked, to read on. And then tell somebody else he likes to do the same. In any event, one always remained aware that one of the most used expressions in the United States, if not spoken, was then thought and which pervades all conversational confrontation.

What the hell use are you to me.

This remark did not seem to be in effect when Larry Grobel first came intomy ken, now many years ago. Paying me a visit to interview me in the rather large house I livein, isolated out in the midlands of Westmeath. A house, as it happens, whose fame now somewhatrests as much upon the fact that James Joyce was here as that I am here.

And then some years later didnt one day dawn out in these isolated midlands, when you mildly assume that maybe the world does give a good goddamn that you are languishing where you are. And present the occasion when a letter arrived from Hollywood. The place from which all writers want to hear from. Because it can mean the biggest bucks he will ever know in his life. And what they wanted to do was to option the film rights of

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