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The Orient was central to the work of Marx and Weber, both figures building their theories around the question of why modernity appeared to emerge only in the West. While Marxs account focused on the accumulation of capital in the West, Webers explanation for this phenomenon centred on Western rationalization. Extending recent work comparing the social theories of Marx and Weber, this book examines their approaches to Oriental societies, showing how, in spite of the differences in their respective theorizations of the historical and political development of the West, their work on the form of modern society in the Orient converges, each complementing the other.Fully conversant with recent scholarly work on Marx and Weber, this comprehensive re-examination of the points of convergence and departure in their work requires us to re-evaluate both their positions in the history of sociology and their relevance to contemporary social questions. As such, it will appeal to scholars of social and political theory and classical sociology.ReviewSociology remains Orientalistic in that the knowing subjects continue to be the authors of the canonical works of Western social science such as Marx and Weber. Re-examining their writings and locating them in their proper place in the history of sociology, this is an important contribution to rescuing social theory from potential irrelevance by separating out what is sound and valuable from what is Orientalistic.Syed Farid Alatas, National University of Singapore, SingaporeLutfi Sunar reminds us of the extent to which contemporary ideas of modernity, and therefore current ideas of alternative modernities as well, are derived from the writings of Marx and Weber. Sunars book suggests that we urgently need to rethink the idea of modernity itself, wherever it may have occurred. Essential reading for Marx and Weber studies, as well as for anyone concerned with the history and theory of modernity.Robert J. Young, New York University, USAAbout the AuthorLtfi Sunar is Assistant Professor of Sociology at Istanbul University, Turkey.

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MARX AND WEBER ON ORIENTAL SOCIETIES

Classical and Contemporary
Social Theory

Series Editor: Stjepan G. Mestrovic, Texas A&M University, USA

Classical and Contemporary Social Theory publishes rigorous scholarly work that re-discovers the relevance of social theory for contemporary times, demonstrating the enduring importance of theory for modern social issues. The series covers social theory in a broad sense, inviting contributions on both classical and modern theory, thus encompassing sociology, without being confined to a single discipline. As such, work from across the social sciences is welcome, provided that volumes address the social context of particular issues, subjects, or figures and offer new understandings of social reality and the contribution of a theorist or school to our understanding of it. The series considers significant new appraisals of established thinkers or schools, comparative works or contributions that discuss a particular social issue or phenomenon in relation to the work of specific theorists or theoretical approaches. Contributions are welcome that assess broad strands of thought within certain schools or across the work of a number of thinkers, but always with an eye toward contributing to contemporary understandings of social issues and contexts.

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Marx and Weber
on Oriental Societies

In the Shadow of Western Modernity

LUTFI SUNAR
Istanbul University, Turkey

ASHGATE

Lutfi Sunar 2014

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Marx and Weber on oriental societies : in the shadow of western modernity / by Lutfi Sunar.

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ISBN 978-1-4724-1716-9 (hardback : alk. paper) -- ISBN 978-1-4724-1717-6 (ebook) -- ISBN 978-1-4724-1718-3 (epub) 1. Marx, Karl, 1818-1883. 2. Weber, Max, 1864-1920. 3. Civilization, Oriental. 4. Civilization, Modern. I. Title.

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Cover image: Jean-Lon Grme, Oedipus, or Napoleon Bonaparte before Sphinx (186768)

To my beloved wife, Dilad.

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Preface

In this book, Lutfi Sunar offers a new perspective on the modern attitude toward the Orient found in the works of Karl Marx and Max Weber. In painstaking detail, Sunar shows that both Marx and Weber were ethnocentric and arrogant in their attitudes toward societies, religions, and cultures that used to be called Oriental, including but not limited to Russia, Islam, India, Buddhism, and China. Sunars thesis is far from obvious. In academia, Marx is hailed as the champion of the working classes and as the philosopher of the concept of alienation. But, to pick one of many counterexamples to this general perception, Sunar shows that in his writings on British Imperialism in India, Marx sympathized with the Britishnot the oppressed Hindus. Marx perceived the British as the harbingers of civilization that would deservedly wipe out alleged Hindu backwardness, superstition, and tradition. Similarly, Weber is best known today through the prism of George Ritzers McDonaldization of Society, namely, as the discoverer of modern, Western, rationality, efficiency, predictability, and control. But the dark side of this interpretation of Weber is that he regarded all cultures that were based on non-Protestant roots as irrational, inefficient, unpredictable, and chaotic.

To the small extent that these ethnocentric attitudes in the works of Marx and Weber have been noticed, they have been dismissed in various ways. Thus, Sunar shows that Marx and Weber influenced the contemporary social theorist, Anthony Giddens, to depict modernity as a monster. More precisely, Giddens uses the metaphor of the juggernaut to depict Western modernity, but he does not challenge the Marxist assumption that his juggernaut must, inevitably, crush all non-Western cultures in its path. On the other extreme, in his book, Orientalism, Edward Said lumps all the founders of sociology (not just Marx and Weber) with Western artists, philosophers, and writers as depicting the Orient in deprecatory, negative ways. Saids brush is too broad. For example, the sociologist mile Durkheim was a champion of cultural relativism and he argued against the attitude that is known today as ethnocentrism. Durkheim believed that all religions and cultural habits were true in their own way so long as they helped any given society function. Similarly, the philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer stands out as an exception in the pantheon of Eurocentric philosophers in that he explicitly appreciated the insights and values of Chinese and Hindu philosophy. Unlike Giddens and Said, Sunar is very precise and meticulous in his depiction of the ethnocentrism found in the works of Marx and Weber: he cites works by them that are not widely known; he compares and contrasts how their views have been received in a vast, secondary literature; and he finds similarities as well as differences in their attitudes toward the Orient.

The issue that emerges from Sunars book is this: How have these two particular strands of what is broadly known as Western ethnocentrism and Eurocentrismnamely, Marxism and Weberianisminfluenced the paths of various civilizations? Sunar shows a historians attention to detail in tracing the various paths these two doctrines took geographically as well as intellectually. It is ironic that Marxism migrated into the very, backward, cultures that Marx did not believe were ripe for a modern, Communist, revolution, especially Russia and China. The other irony is that a form of Western modernity was imported into tradition-directed Russian and Chinese cultures. It is important to keep in mind that Communism was and still is a form of modernity. And various Communist regimes used this Marxist version of modernity to fulfill Marxs vision of British Imperialism in India, namely, to attempt to wipe out backwardness, superstition, and tradition. On the other hand, it was Talcott Parsons who translated Max Webers The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism and in that way brought Weber to America. The cultural affinities for this connection are numerous, from the fact that Parsons was the son of a Congregationalist minister to the fact that the Puritan traditions of America are still strong. As Ritzer correctly points out, the twentieth century in America was fundamentally Weberian in its grand vision of efficiency, McDonaldization, and the exponential growth of bureaucracy. But it was also a century of demonizing the other, from fighting the Huns in the First World War through fighting the Evil Empire during the Cold War to the current War on Terror.

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