David Icke - Lifting the Veil: David Icke interviewed by Jon Rappoport

by Jon Rappoport

There is a growing number of researchers and writers who start from the premise that the world we are given is not the true world.

After fifteen years as an investigative reporter, I have found very few people who not only form a set of ideas to explain our world, but then back them up with action.

I have seen men and women who fall into a state of decay because their hard-won truth rots on the vine. They somehow labor under the self-imposed delusion that once they have presented their vision, it is up to others to implement it. That is a dangerous place to be, because in the end you are left with a big room and no one else in it. Then come the ugly vanity and the excuses and the resentments and the accusations and the mirrors of despair.

David Icke has taken the other road.

He has the energy for it. He goes out on the road and he lets loose with his findings and his ideas and his vision and his research. He connects with people. They want to hear what he has to say because they sense his growing confidence that he is on the right track.

David does not worry about the little things. He doesnt care if people disagree with him on certain points. He doesnt back off because its Monday and the rain is coming down and the hotel is full and the car didnt arrive and the hall they hired didnt have the right sound system. He stands up there and starts talking and pretty soon the audience is mesmerized because they hear his truth coming out and they see that what he is saying fits a pattern of power that is operating behind the scenes of this world.

When I sat down and did these interviews with him, I found I didnt care that he and I didnt mesh on all points. So what? There was a more expansive energy going on, and on that level we were in agreement. We saw the same crazy world dominated by fewer and fewer people, and we saw that there was a way out of this mess that involves every one of us. We saw that the mess was social and political and psychological and anergic and spiritual and you couldnt carve it up into little pieces and play cat and mouse games with it. You couldnt divide the mess into disciplines and appoint people to chairs of professorship and rant and rave in a vacuum.

You had to connect with people and force the issue. You had to wake people up, and then you would wake yourself up. And the other way too. You had to get in there and mix it up and start talking about solutions, and you couldnt be afraid of the personal spiritual side of things and you couldnt be terrified of introducing the hard political and, yes, conspiratorial, factors into the mix. David does both. He doesnt hold back. He doesnt try to erase the bad things that are going on in favor of a saccharine tune, and he damn well doesnt claim that only matter is real and there is no spirit. He has experienced for himself both sides.

I like people like that, because they are heading down the main highway of life, they are not democrats or republicans, they are not right or left, they are not New Age or old age, they are not trying to board up the windows and keep the light out and meditate on the "good alone. They dont do that.

We have among us a lot of people who have made a doctrine out of saying that everybody should think good thoughts all the time. That is like saying one school of painting is the only school. These people are taking up a position in the pink fluff, and they are trying to get you in there too, where the cotton candy sticks to you.

Then we have the tough-minded types who think that only some kind of Marxism is going to save the world from the fat cats not even knowing that the fat cats ran Russia, that the Christmas on Earth concept of the Christians and the Communists is, in those hands, only a simulated version of the real thing, designed at the core to make people passive and live a slaves life.

David Icke is not interested in settling for a soft version of the truth, and so he keeps traveling around the world and speaking to larger audiences.

David knows that we have somehow taken on the work of building a vast Machine, and this Machine dispenses one reality that comes down and casts the main vote for the main way that life is heading along into the future. It isnt just a box in the sky that hypnotizes everybody. Its more like a pyramid, and we have helped out down at the bottom with the boards and the blocks in the dust and the shapes of our own trance. He doesnt buy into the Machine, and he is telling people about it, and they are listening. That is whats going on.

Yes, there are details, and we talk about those in this interview, and you will read that. There are lots of details, more in his own books. But whats going on is a man looking at the Machine and giving his description of it. You may see it from a different angle but its the same Machine, and when you hear David talk about it, youll wake up. Its the same Machine. We have it here in front of us. Were busy taking care of it and making it a good Machine and all the rest of it, but when we start to hear how it really works and what the result of that is, then we stir in our dreams and we begin to open our eyes and see something new. Yes, there is something new out there. We dont have to end up with old myths and the old gods and the old pre-praised dreams. There is a lot of room for something else.

I could say a lot more, but you get the idea. I know you do. Here is a man who is not afraid to talk about what he sees, the Machine and the new day and night that lie past it. Hear how he talks and youll find something out. You will.

You wont agree with everything. There will be stretches where youll say, no, thats wrong, that cant be, thats impossible, how could he imagine that... and then while youre saying this over and over like a mantra youll be reading more and youll find yourself saying, What? What did he say? Oh my God. And youll keep reading and the tune will change and youll be right in there with it, discovering something you never knew before but seemed to believe already. Bingo bango. Youll be right there in the car going two hundred miles an hour with him. So go ahead, take the ride.

Jon Rappoport San Diego, California
1998

Jon Rappoport (JR): I was told that because Princess Diana was going to marry Fayed, and he was Muslim, she was already reading the Koran. She was thinking of converting. So imagine having one of her sons become the King. His mother is a Muslim. Where could this go?

David Icke (DI): With Diana there are so many unanswered questions. I dont believe the crash was an accident. The French investigation" into her death has been a farce and quite clearly designed to lead nowhere. They allowed months to pass until memory of the crash began to fade as other stories took the headlines. Then, as quietly as possible, they announced the inquiry was being closed without establishing what happened. It took the same form as the equally farcical cover-up of the TWA 800 crash over New York.

They dont want to find the truth because those manipulating these inquiries already know what it is. Why else would they turn down an offer from experts at Mercedes to examine Dianas car? Why were the parents of the driver, Henri Paul, refused a second postmortem? Because an independent examination would expose the official lies and deceit. Henri Paul wasnt drunk, as video pictures at the Ritz Hotel clearly show before he drove the car. Injecting drugs which produce alcohol in the blood is childs play and so is tampering with samples.

As Ill talk about later, the potential for mindcontrolling people, drivers and others, is simply immense. Paul and even the Paparazzi much as I deplore their methods were the scapegoats, the patsies, to take the blame for what others did. The first reports after the crash said that Dianas condition was not catastrophic. " But the ambulance team took an hour and a half to get her to hospital and even when they did move her, the ambulance driver was told to drive at no more than 25 miles an hour. They stopped the ambulance again within walking distance of the hospital after ignoring three other hospitals that were closer. Diana once said: "One day Im going in a helicopter and itll blow up. Ml-5 will do away with me. " Im sure she was very close to the truth with that statement.