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A collection of conversations, held over a period of five years, between Chertok (an American-born writer who has lived in Israel since 1977) and eighteen leading Israeli authors. They talk about literature, contemporary Zionism, the lure of Diaspora, women in Israel, the Palestinians, and Judaisms official, cultural, and religious faces. A fine composite portrait of contemporary Israel and an illuminating view of the writers personal styles and beliefs.

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title:We Are All Close : Conversations With Israeli Writers
author:Chertok, Haim.
publisher:Fordham University Press
isbn10 | asin:0823212238
print isbn13:9780823212231
ebook isbn13:9780585125435
language:English
subjectIsrael--Social conditions, Authors, Israeli--Interviews, Israel--Intellectual life.
publication date:1989
lcc:HN660.A8C48 1989eb
ddc:956.94/054
subject:Israel--Social conditions, Authors, Israeli--Interviews, Israel--Intellectual life.
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Introduction
This representative sampling of conversations with Israeli writers stretches from November 1983, when I met with novelist Aharon Appelfeld at the Car Atara in Jerusalem, to March 1988, when I spoke with short-story writer Yael Medini at her home in Ramat Gana span of nearly five years. The notion that English-speaking readers might be interested in eavesdropping on the table talk of Israeli writers was initially suggested by Mitchell Cohen, at the time editor of the Jewish Frontier, the Labor Zionist hi-monthly in New York. In fact, in a variety of forms, fully half of these verbal encounters first made their appearance in the pages of the Frontier.
Choosing which writers to approach turned out to be very largely a matter of chance. In 1982 the English-language daily The Jerusalem Post printed my appreciative notice of Appelfeld's novel The Age of Wonders. With it as my calling card, I painlessly arranged a meeting with the author a year-and-a-half thereafter. In fact, most of the ensuing meetings were to be with writers whose books it fell my lot to review either in the Post or in the Jerusalem-based cultural quarterly Ariel.
It might be well for the reader to bear in mind several factors that doubtless affected the tone of these encounters. First, with just a single exception, I did not talk with any writer whose work I do not genuinely admire. Moreover, with those writers considerably older than I, I find that I tended rather naturally to assume a deferential stance. Consequently, though on occasion I did deliberately choose to be provocative, both the selective procedure itself and the given situation served to blunt any inclination toward visceral confrontation.
Three additional matters pertaining to these particular 18 fig-
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AL: What was the end of my family? Poland! That could serve as a very type of the tragedy of the Jewish people. We are always on the outside. Believe me, it was very, very hard when I came here. But we pioneers did something to change our objective conditions. But when the land was ready, the preponderance of Jews still did not come.
The fighting, the squabbling, the endless divisions of our political parties, really don't you see why it continues? Each blames the other for the simple failure of the Jews to come. Because we are still only a very few people here. Do you think that if we were ten million Jews it would be like this? Both from the Jewish and from the Arab point of view, everything would be objectively and subjectively different.
HC: You sound so certain?
AL [ laughing]: Of many things I have my human doubts, but yes, of this I am certain. I have lived here now for sixty-six years. If only ten million Jews were living here, working here, raising their children here, filling the land with Jewish sweat and lives, all the factionalism, the division, the discord would qualitatively alter. And I include in this the Arabs. Unlike many "theorists," I talk with them. I know. What keeps them so hostile and stubborn is that they are keenly aware that the Jews don't want to come. They are counting on us! It makes me so sad.
HC: I can see.
AL: Though my health is good and my mind is sound, I am now an old man of eighty-four. Yet I have little peace. I wake up in the middle of the night, many nights, trying to understand what has happened to this people. My generation suffered and made a revolution for this people. It is impossible not to see it, not to feel it. And yet still the Jews don't come, and still Jews here leave this land. What kind of people is this?
You read my story, "Master of His Fate," about Benjamin Goldwasser. It's a true tale. In the 1920s many Jews actually left Palestine to fight for the Soviet Union, to fight for the idea of brotherhood which they said would also be good for the Jews.
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They were all used, exploited, and killed or murdered.
HC: You mentioned that your own family background was religiously observant.
AL: Yes, I was a yeshiva student until I was sixteen. My father didn't allow me to go to an ordinary school.
HC: So the story "Gates of Joy," in which the religious father smiles benevolently at his son who goes off with the secular workers, is something of a fantasy or wish-fulfillment?
AL: Yes, yes, of course. There is a passage in the Mishnah [early rabbinic writings] that it was an act of God's charity to the nations of the world to disperse the Jewish people among them. But isn't it enough? Isn't 2,000 years enough of this charity? Anyway, I have my simpler answer. It's not original, but it's so obvious that it fills me with pain: the majority of the Jewish people of the world must be here. And they must work. They must be bakers, farmers, lawyers, andyesmasons.
Three blocks from here, where the Jewish Agency Building now stands, there once stood a labor camp that held three hundred fifty of us boys and girls. We Jews in those days did all of the building. Now when they build a huge new synagogue in Jerusalem, the labor is one hundred per cent Arab! And the further irony of it is that it was men like me, men with a strong traditional background, who knew how to make friends with the Arabs.
HC: Have you ever tried proclaiming your "simple solution" among the Jews of the Diaspora?
AL: I once spent two weeks in America. I had been invited to attend a seminar in Mexico, and stopped there en route. Yes, I spoke to many people. One man's response I'll never forget: "The steak in America is thicker than it is in Israel. Why then should I go there?" And this happened not before but
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