Karl Renz - Undecided: Neti-Neti

Undecided

Neti-Neti

KARL RENZ

Edited By
MANJIT ACHHRA

A DIVISION OF MAOLI MEDIA PRIVATE LIMITED

Are you the Self? Negative.

Are you not the Self? Negative.

Are you God? Negative.

Are you not God? Negative.

Thats called Undecided.

KARL RENZ

Undecided: Neti-Neti

Copyright 2015 Karl Renz

First Edition: November 2015

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CONTENTS

YOUR EXISTENCE NEVER DEMANDS
ANY DEFINITION OR UNDERSTANDING

MANY ANSWERS, MANY QUESTIONS
AND NOTHING HAPPENS

AS LONG AS A TEACHER HAS SOMETHING TO TEACH,
HE HAS SOMETHING TO LEARN.

THE ABSOLUTE GIFT IS THAT WHAT-YOU-ARE
NEEDS NOTHING - NOT EVEN NOTHING!

HOPE IS FOR THE SPIRITUAL KINDERGARTEN,
TO MAKE THE KIDS QUIET

BHAKTA AND JANI ARE TWO DIFFERENT NAMES
OF ABSOLUTE NON-OWNERSHIP

Other Books by Karl Renz

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

T he Publishers wish to thank

Anjali Walsh, Hemant Nadkarni and Amrita Hinduja

for their invaluable help

in making this book possible.

Your Existence Never Demands any Definition or Understanding

Q: What is the difference between the me that has a story and the awareness?

K: The me is the definer, defining having or not-having a story. Time or no-time, it needs that one who defines time and no-time, presence or absence of a me. It needs a me to be not present. That theres a me thats not present; it needs a me who is not there, still to be there. It still needs one who experiences that there is no me. So even in the absence of a me there is a me. When God takes himself as a relative story, he becomes a jiva. But both are relative stories. The personal or the impersonal are relative stories of a personal or an impersonal story because there is one who has a story. And by accepting the personal and the impersonal story, you are That, and that is the end of story! End of the story because there is no beginning and no end, and without a beginning and end, there is no story.

Q: You mean when there are no concepts about impersonal or personal, no-story or story?

K: No-concept is still a concept.

Q: When I speak, I dont know how else to say. When there is not even an idea of no-concept or no idea of concept, no idea or noidea about anything

K: You can take that to infinity no, no, no but it still needs one who defines it.

Q: So, you are saying this disappears

K: No. There is no disappearing because there was never anything like that, thats the problem. There is an illusion of separation game of the story of the me. But it was never there. There was never any reality in it. It was never alive; there was no life like that. So, it is not like it disappears, it was never there. The one who says it is an illusion, is an illusion. Life is thats all! And there is no so-called seeing through the illusion and now I made it.

Thats why this pointer of deep-deep sleep, there is a total carelessness of anything because you exist without any no, no, no. There is no need of any definition or no-definition at all. So, the pointer is that you exist without any definer. Your existence never demands any definition or understanding or knowing or not knowing. Whatever you can give a name or frame or definition can never make you That what never needs anything.

Q: Now I am speaking, asking and wanting to know

K: That is self-inquiry

Q: And you say that it just continues?

K: That is a never ending story of consciousness, which is a never ending story of meditation or self-inquiry. It will never end. The intellect will always ask itself What is intellect? Thats its nature. At the moment there is a questioner, even a potential questioner I, it will question that existence. Consciousness in its purest form is the root thought I, which questions itself.

Q: You are just stating the mechanism of consciousness and it just keeps happening

K: It is the infinite realization of That what is Reality and realization of Reality is Reality meditating about that what is Reality, and it never started and will never end. When the Reality or Brahman or Self wakes up to awareness, already meditation happens. Its like waking up to meditation and meditation is the absolute dream of what one is. That dream never started and will never stop as the dream is not different from the dreamer. As the dreamer had no beginning, the dream has no beginning and no end. Reality is not different from realization but in realization you expect to find yourself in realization, but the Reality is already there, you cannot find it.

Q: Im just thinking that something needs to stop

K: Yes and no. For the relative thing what you think you are when what-you-are is what-it-is.

Q: Right now Im questioning and I want to know

K: Right now you committed suicide by stepping into a relative identity. That is like missing something. You are missing for the longing. Then you expect by meditation or by whatever to gain what you seemingly lost. That is dream, thats the only dream. That you think by the experience of being born, you are born. You take that as real. Then Shiva becomes a puppet because he takes the experience of being born as real. Then we sit here and ask did really something happen in that or your nature was prior to two liquids meeting and creating the experience of this body? There is nothing wrong with the experience; its just you taking it as your home. Then you become an owner of a relative home.

Then you miss your absolute home. Then from that moment on, you try everything. Even by buying a piece of bread, you want to be happy because you are missing happiness. You are missing the happiness of the absence of the one who can be and cannot be happy. Now you became one who can be happy or unhappy. From that moment on, you miss happiness that is unconditioned in its nature; the happiness that never depends on any circumstance at all. From that moment, out of that misunderstanding, suffering starts, because missing is suffering. And no understanding in this world can satisfy you and maybe you see that in one instant: that the satisfaction which comes can never be the fulfilment you are longing for. Then maybe the me drops, and suddenly there is a fulfilment without any dependency at all.